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A Wee Bit More on the MacPhadrick and Patrick Lamont cadet families.
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While it is maintained (see "The History of the Clan Lamont, 1934"), that this branch of the Lamont are direct decedents of the McPhadrick Lamonts of Coustoun, Argyllshire, specific genealogical reference is absent. Lamont of Coustoun, the McPhadrick Lamonts of Coustoun were located on the western shore of Loch Striven, just about directly across the loch from the lands of Knockdow. In the old days, their geographic position isolated them, except for travel by sea. Even today, there are no major roads to the Coustoun lands. "The first record of the Lamonts of Coustoun, was a charter witnessed by Patrick Ladman of Calstane, in 1498. Shortly after this, the name McPhadrick is found in land titles. Papers from 1541 show the McPhadricks to be part of Clan Lamont, and subject to the chief. In 1646, seven McPhadrics were murdered at Dunoon by the Campbells, including four sons of Baron McPhadrick, gentlemen of Coustoun. The last Baron McPhadrick, Cornelius, sold the estates to John of Kilfinan, a natural son of the chief, Archibald Lamont. And so ended the history of the least known of the Cadets families. The McPHADRICK LAMONTS held a strip of country between Ardbeg and Invernellbeg at Strone with CAMPBELLS and MacLACHLANS breathing down their necks. Four sons of BARON McPHADRICK OF COUSTON, with another of their family, met their deaths on the hanging tree at Dunoon. The last of the family moved to Newcastle in the 17th century." ( Capitalization my own.)  According to Hector McKechnie in his tomb, "The Lamont Clan 1235 - 1935", "........the McPhadricks were: But the style of Baron which attached to its owner, as to Monydrain and Knockdow certainly suggests a former independent holding of the Crown. This was probably inaugurated by some Patrick Lamont as the patronymic which was adopted was "McPhadrick" (though it 'was little to the fore till the 17th century)." Doubtless the families of this surname, who are later found on the east side of the loch about Ardyne and Inverchaolain, are of the sept from those common men who perished by the sword, dirk, or strangulation.  Some direct descendants of the gentlemen of MacPhadrick did survive the gruesome wrath of the Campbell's. MaKenchnie identified several, one being my great grandfather, the Clyde shipbuilder, Henry Lamont of Gripton and Greenlaw.  However, as is his style, MacKechnie fails to draw a direct line.  Instead he refers to a clerical letter sent to my 2nd, great grandfather , one W'm Lamont of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire asserting the connection was correct. MacKechnie leaves it there.

Quotes indicate material taken directly from MaKenchnie's book.



-- Edited by liam26 on Tuesday 10th of September 2013 05:56:27 AM

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It's interesting that many assume the Patrick association to the Lamont clan through the McPhadricks, but many of us seem to trace our line to to John Patric of Ayrshire (1429-1463), which predates the whole McPhadrick thing by quite a few years. And Patrick is a Cadet branch of the Lamont clan, a closely allied family, not a bloodline of the main Lamont family, so when did that start, and how did the Patrick family go from Patrixbourne, Kent, England in the 1200s to Ayrshire, Scotland in the 1400s?

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Has anyone confirmed with dna testing any validation or making a good claim that Patrick is MacPatrick or Lamont? I'm hoping with technology advances over the last several years, maybe tests have gone deeper.

Some of us have started a Facebook group in effort to nail this down the best we can.  We are using this to debate and look at all claims and name variants. If anyone is interested in joining, it should be fun. Shoot me an email or if you can find me on facebook. Patrick Genealogy Research group. 

Patrick or any form of the name is extremely difficult. My hope is we are Lamont. It's tough to be objective when you have such a rich and ancient history of a great clan.  It should be a fun adventure.

 



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I am a adoptee so I did not know my back ground but I have done Y-DNA up to 67 markers and of my my top 3 there are 2 Lamonts.

I ran a query for any MC, Mac, and Patrick and did not have any for of Patrick in my line where ever it stated from. Sorry I couldn't be more help

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Thanks for the info. I am going to go through FTM and take the test in September. So did the service you used lead you to Lamont or did you follow the trail? I have been dragging getting my test done not knowing if my Dad was going to give it another try. After the Ancestry test he is a little put-off. thanks for the quick response!! James

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Yes, I used Family Tree DNA and my 67 marker test has 2 Lamonts, a Lammond, 2 Browns and a Thompson.

I gave them my sample the first order I made and they save that sample and When I add a new test they already have the sample.

I have done Y-DNA 12, 25, 37 and 67 markers, I have also dont 2 MTDNA test, a Family Finder, and the Big-Y.

when I found my mothers family I tested my 1/2 sister and we did come back at 1/2 siblings.

they also keep sending you emails whenever a new tester matches you so you can keep up with them.



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