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Does anyone have any information on their Brown family connections to Clan Lamont?

My grandmother was a Brown, I know they were Scottish Browns, but I have never been able to trace the family back to Scotland.  There are just too many male Browns with names like William, James and George. 

The most famous Brown of Lamont descent was John Brown, Queen Victoria's loyal servant.

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I MIGHT have something along with my Luckey information.  If so, I'll pass it along to you.

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i am related to the Brown's. My DNA study came back and said i am also related to Mr. Black and Mr. White. 

The Brown's are hard to trace but i have gotten back to 1826  and documented it.

but there i am and am stopped.  Still looking though.



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Ron, first of all - welcome to Lamont Central.

Brown, Black and White are all names associated with Clan Lamont.

I can trace my Brown family back to the late 1700's, but can't get past that roadblock.



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I have been curious about such a connection. My father and his father both had the middle name "Lamond." Obviously, Lamond is some form of a family name, but I haven't been able to find the origin of the name. It clearly meant something significant to someone, because it appears in two generations. Unfortunately, my father and grandfather have both passed on. I'm positive my father didn't know where it came from, though. I would love to find this connection. I would be happy to give the little information I have to anyone interested via P.M. Edited to Add: My father's family is from Memphis, Tennessee. I can only trace my line to my great-grandfather.

-- Edited by Michael on Wednesday 28th of December 2011 12:48:09 PM

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Michael, seems you are on a good track. I would say you are connected to the Lamont Clan via a Name change. Scot's changed names and moved when trouble was occuring.  The color names, white, brown, black and green all have Lamont roots.

Have you considered DNA as a tool to help figure out your puzzle??



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Knockdow,

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate it.

I have considered DNA testing. Being ignorant against my will regarding the process and the reputation of the companies that provide the testing, I have hesitated to take that next step. Do you have any recommendations?

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FTDNA is the best and oldest company testing.

1st thing, is your last name Brown? the YDNA test follows the father to son relationship, it cant take a twist through a grandmother. If your not a Brown, you could recruit a male cousin, uncle to be the donor.

send me an email and we can discuss further oldhiker50@aol.com

 



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I am a Brown, and my family came from Paisley, Scotland to Philadelphia in 1829.  Family oral history says that David Brown came to Philadelphia to build bridges, as he was a mason.  I was told by my grandfather that we are Lamonts.  The location of our family in Scotland (Renfrew Abbey, Paisley) seem to confirm this.

My ancestors who came were David BROWN (B: 16 Jan 1795, Paisley; christ. in Renfrew Abbey) , his wife Jean KAY (some sources list "HAY", m: 9th Jun 1820, Renfrew Abbey), and their son Archibald (B: 22 Mar 1823, Paisley, christ: 6 Apr 1823, Renfrew Abbey, D: 6 Feb 1904, Philadelphia.) 

Now, I know that David's father's name was also Archibald, and his mother was Isobel Smith (married 18 Jun 1791) - sorry, I have no further information.

I'm not sure if this is helpful to anyone.  Beyond Archibald, I have no idea.  Like MacPatrick, I can't get any earlier than the late 18th Century.

 



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one of our new members is Alan Brown directly from Paisiley. I will PM you his email.



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My Y-DNA 67 marker has me related to a Robert James Brown at 2 steps and a Keith Chisholm Brown at 7 steps, my 37 marker has me related to a Robert H Brown at 2 steps.

My problem is on paper I cannot find it on paper anyplace yet

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 I am new here.  Just sent my DNA today and am very curious about how it will turn out.  I know my grandmother was a Young and that her grandfather (James) and their family owned land at Parkhouse, Neilston, Renfrewshire Scotland for generations until the farm was lost in the last century and the three brothers went to NZ, AU and Canada.

The interesting twist is that "my" Brown family came to Canada from Stowford, Devonshire England.  Of interest, though, is that my grandfather always told me to mistrust the Campbells and (haven't been able to trace it) the general family "lore" is that the Browns of Devon were Scottish. 

Either way, both "septs" seem to be closely related to the Lamont clan/family so I'm looking forward to (maybe) learning something in the next few weeks.

Tom Brown

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Welcome Tom, there does seem to be close ties between Lamont and Brown.

The 3 Browns that have DNA close to mine say they have traced it back to the Lamont clan and them my closest match is a Lamond which his line goes to lamont too.

Who knows maybe in a couple of weeks I will get a email saying I have close match to a Tom Brown????  smile



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Hello again, Steve.

The Robert H. Brown whom you have cited in your post and I are known third cousins, one removed and I have the research to establish that link.  I (and Robert H.'s sister) have both documented our Brown family back to the Markinch area of Fifeshire in the mid-1700s.  Robert H. lives in England and his sister is in Northern Scotland, while I am in Canada.

I hope this gives you a bit of a leg up.

Robert in Kanata



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Brown family members on this Board might also be interested to learn that one of the more horrendous murders in Fife was that of a cousin of Robert H. and me. It was the savage murder of 15-year old Mickey (Michael Swinton) Brown on February 19, 1909 in a public lavatory in School Wynd in East Wemyss; the motive being the robbery of the payroll he was delivering from a Bank in Buckhaven to his employer in East Wemyss. Mickey made the weekly transporting of the payroll monies between the two places by tram and on foot from the tram stop nearest his employers' place of business.

The tracking and eventual apprehension of the murderer in Manchester, England and his trial and hanging in Perth filled the news media of the day. The murderer had tried to throw the police off his trail by faking his death by drowning.

Much information about the murder and its investigation and prosecution can be found on-line in Scottish newspapers of the day. The story has also been recounted in a 1998 booklet by Dominic J. Currie entitled, "Dark Skies Over School Wynd". I was fortunately able to present the case and its resolution before a local Family History group in a presentation I called, "Murder Most Foul!" a few years ago, close to the anniversary of Mickey's murder. The case was of special interest to me as I had started my first full-time employment as a clerk in a firm for which I was responsible for doing a similar bank run by bus on a daily basis and for delivering the weekly pay packets to the workers in the plant on a weekly basis. I did not know of those similarities at that time, having only discovered the story during my family research efforts in 2008; however, having discovered those similarities made me feel quite close to my cousin, Mickey.

The murder had a very traumatic effect on the lad's mother, who had been so pleased that he had managed to escape the many coal mining dangers of possible maiming or even accidental death by finding a good and "safe" job above ground, that she wore nothing but black clothing for the rest of her life.

Robert in Kanata

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Wow that is interesting, it is always good to find history like that even if it was not so nice.

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Although Queen Victoria's "gamekeeper", John Brown is most the well-known men of that name to today's folks who are interested in Scottish history, I would argue that another John Brown (1722-1787) was far more well-known and well-respected than the one mentioned above. 

The 1722 John Brown was commonly known as John Brown of Haddington and was the author of many works, probably the most published of which was his "Self-Interpreting Bible".  It went through a number of editions and was published and revered on both sides of the Atlantic ocean for more than a century (and still is by some folks, me included).  Robert MacKenzie, author of a 1918 biography of this John Brown, wrote that "Brown's Bible was treasured in the homes of people with all the reverence and care enjoyed by Bunyan's 'Pilgrim's Progress' and Boston's 'Fourfold State'.  The three were considered the necessary literary and religious equipment of the household."  His "Bible Dictionary" was also one of his more familiar publications, and both books were found in the libraries of many Protestant evangelical ministers, as well as in many universities in both the UK and the Americas. 

This John Brown's beginnings in Carpow, Perthshire were quite humble and after he was orphaned in 1735, he became a shepherd lad.  Despite the few years of formal schooling he was able to obtain, he taught himself Koine Greek and Hebrew on the hills of his native land.  He eventually became such a well-respected minister, author and teacher that he was appointed Moderator of his denomination where he served with distinction in his Parish of Haddington, east of Edinburgh.

Time invested by members of the Brown family (as well as by other Scots) in the reading of the Mackenzie book, which is now available in paperback, is time well spent, in my opinion.

Robert in Kanata

PS: I have a copy of both the above-noted books by the beloved pastor, as well as the Mackenzie biography in my personal library.



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