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Hello All,

Thank you for the site. I'm interested Black Sept history and genealogy as it relates to the Lamont clan. Any help would be appreciated.

God Bless,

Jay



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Welcome to the site. Mr Lambie or one of the other will be along shortly that is more knowledgeable on the history of the Surname of black.

Have you been to any Scottish festivals?

What part of the world are you from?


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Thank you Sir. We're from Mass (USA) and we went to the Scottish Fest in NH last year. We visited the Lamont tent, which was great, and got some help there but I'm curious as to what else may be out there that I haven't already seen, plus, I have a few questions I thought you guys may be able to help answer.

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There are a couple of posts in the Genealogy section that you might take a look at. Have you done tracing as to where your family emigrated from?



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Thanks Eoin. A great Grand Father John Black emigrated from County Tyrone, Ireland. I did see those other posts you mentioned. There was a mention of a book on the Blacks. Do you know the title of that by any chance?

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Welcome to the forum and to Clan Lamont. There are many suggestions as to the surname Black. One is that it relates to Naill of the Black Knees. Another is that it is named for an area when Lamonts changed their name to avoid losing their heads. Tough life eh!


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Thank you Tom. I've been looking into it for a little while and it's the first I've heard of the Naill and "area" theories. I appreciate the possibilities. Any chance you can tell me where you found these? Or where I can find out more about them?
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Jay

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I read both in some of the history of the Clan. Naill was also called "of the nine sons" This is an Irish King if you didn't know around 500 AD. I will search out my sources and let you know the specifics. We also had Whites for the same reason (hiding out after being "put to the horn!")

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Ok great, yes, I would love to check them out when you get the chance.
Thanks Again,
Jay

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Hello Jay!

There are a significant number of pages that mention the Black persons associated with the Clan in the Hector McKechnie book; in fact, they have a separate listing in the Index on p. 598 - unlike the Brown families. confuse  One entry on p. 307 that might intrigue you is a certificate of character that was provided by the minister, Knockdow, for the "bearers hereof, Archibald Black and Mary Lamont, married persons, having lived in our Parish of Kilfinan almost from their infancy to this date (1760)" It further mentions that "this clansman, who had been born in Glendaruel, was well received in his new home, where he traded with Ireland as a merchant and shipmaster, and was one of the founders of the Gaelic chapel. ... It was in 1762 that the first contingent from the county migrated to North Carolina, and settled there in large numbers."

I don't know if that has any significance for you, but the McKechnie book is one that you should try to find available via your library, or you may be able to purchase a copy from the folks at Scotpress in Alabama who reprinted it last year, which is where I obtained my copy. Apparently it was available through Amazon, but they currently indicate they have no copies left. You can access the Scotpress web site at Scotpress.com and send Vicki a message to see if they still have any available.

Robert in Kanata



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Hi Robert,

Thank you for the input. I actually have the McKechnie book and have read most of it. It is a big help and a big part of the puzzle. I am grateful for it but it mostly just touches on them and their origins and doesn't really attempt to go deep into the matter. This is understandable as it obviously wasn't the purpose of his task. Never the less, it's a great resource, and confirmation, of some of the basics regarding the family. I guess I've just been pushing the envelope a little bit wondering if there may be more detailed resources out there on the family maybe even within the family itself.

Thank you,
Jay

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