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Evening all,

Looking at getting a Lamont kilt in the future (not sure how long in the future this is) but as I look around I notice there are several plaids.

Here is the weathered (my wife likes this one):

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Modern:

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Ancient:

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Dress:

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Heather:

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So which one is the proper if there is such a thing?  Why all the variations? 

Jim

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personal preference, they are all the same sett just different coloring. The ancient is supposed to represent what the old dyes would have been back in the day. The weathered is what it would have faded to over years and thus suitable to use hunting.

I have noticed that in different areas one becomes the local favorite. In Scotland I see more ancient. In Texas I saw more modern. I live in Wa and see more ancient.

I have 1 ancient and 1 modern( i use this for more formal occasions with my argyll jacket.

No real rules that i have ever heard about.

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I had never seen the dress or the heather before. I like the Heather one. I have a ancient on the way and own a weathered ( half sett) from SWK.
Thanks for the info on all of the tartan.

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I prefer the Ancient Lamont, the Weathered Lamont is a restricted tartan, but as Eric notes you can get a reasonable fascimile from SWK.  The SWK tartan is a very good looking tartan and looks great with brown leathers.

The dress tratans were originally developed to make ladies dresses from, these tartan are popular with the lady Scottish Country Dancers.  I've never seen or heard of the heather pattern until now.

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I'm not sure what you mean by restricted or SWK.

Can you help a poor newbie?

Jim

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SWK is kiltie speak for Stillwater Kilts, you can check out their website.

The rights to the weathered tartan are owned by one of the Societies in Great Britian or Scotland and is sold exclusively by them. It is not a tartan you can order from a kilt maker.  The Stillwater version is very close and is the tartan we Lamonts call the "Half Lamont" it is a great looking tartan, and SWK make good kilts.

Google Stillwater Kilts and you will find their website, btw, Stillwater Kilts are are a great buy.



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Here is yours truly and my first ( I recently aquired a smaller one) SWK weathered Lamont, standing with a Frasers Highlander:


Stillwater Kilts no longer offers the Weathered in its line-up, and rumor has it it has been discontinued indefinately. Every once and a while one will pop up for sale used, but it is rare. I did not know it was a restricted tartan, does the same thing go for the heather and dress tartans?

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I want to get a Lamont weathered Kilt myself. I started a thread on www.xmarkthescot.com “Lamont Tartans” and M.A.C Newsome from Scottish Tartans Museum responded here is his comment.

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Lochcarron weaves the Lamont tartan in ancient, modern, and weathered (which, for some reason, people occasionally refer to as "hunting" though this is incorrect).

"Muted" is a color scheme offered by House of Edgar, and they produce it in a medium weight. It is part of their "Old and Rare" range, which will make it a bit more expensive than otherwise, but not prohibitively so. The Scottish Tartans Museum prices all of our medium weight kilts the same, whether or not they are "old and rare." Edgar also offers a few options in ancient and modern Lamont, in medium and heavy weights.

Now, the Lamont weathered in Lochcarron's heavy weight does fall into their "rare select" price category, which does make it more expensive than their ancient or modern versions of Lamont. For example, an 8 yard kilt in Lochcarron's Lamont ancient or modern from the Scottish Tartans Museum would cost you $499 while the weathered would cost $555.

We sell Lochcarron's heavy weight "Stome" cloth for $79/yd, and their "rare select" range for $89/yd. So yes, it is more per yard, but not $113 you were quoted. smile.gif

Here's a link to our shop:
http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/

As to the question of which to get, these are all the same tartan just produced in different hues. The choice is really up to you and which you like the best. Any one is acceptible. I always tell people that if they don't have a preference, the modern colors are always a good choice as these really are the standard colors of the tartan. All the other choices are variations on the standard.
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Thanks for all the replies.

When I was looking around I came across some of the weathered tartan but most of these kilts run $700-$1000 each. Granted that would be a good price for a suit so I will have to save my pennies.

Jim

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Hey Jim,
Sorry I didn't jump in on this before but Sue and I are on vacation and jumping around Michigan for a week. 

Anyway, I have a Matt Newsome box pleat in Lamont Modern and an ancient in an 8 yard knife pleat from Tartanweb in Glasgow.  The box pleat is a 5 yarder and there is quite a difference in weight.  Both are Lochcorran 16 oz. wool. 

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I am drooling at the chance to get a M. Newsome bo pleat, or one from Ancienne Alliances wife Lady Chrystal, she makes a wicked double box pleat. The price is pretty good if you send her your fabric.

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I am ordering a Brown (sept of Clan Lamont) Modern, 16 oz box pleat from Matt, the fabric will be from House of Edgar.  Matt makes a fine kilt, I've seen many of them.

I hope I will be allowed to wear this kilt to some Lamont functions, it seems like a good choice to me.  My maternal grandmother was a Scottish Brown, but I have never been able to trace the family back across the water.

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I have a good friend who scored a double box pleat from Lady Chrystal.  It was made for someone who didn't finalise the purchase and so it was advertised on xmark and he got it for a song.  It really is a beautiful kilt.

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Hey Jim, whywould you not be allowed to wear te Brown tartan to certain Lamont functions? Would you be asked to leave the event if they didn't approve? And just who is "they" anyway?
Sorry for the question, but knowledge is power.

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Just a followup on the weathered tartan pattern. Been emailing with Rocky with USAK. He gets it from Lochcarron.

When (I hope this winter) I order a dress kilt I will try for this pattern as my wife likes it best out of the patterns.

Jim

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Happy Hunting Jim!!

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I gave the Brown Tartan kilt a test run last Sunday, I wore it to a Kirk'in with my PC and Fly Plaid, I got lots of compliments on the kilt.  I carried the Lamont Tartan banner in the Parade of Tartans.  I have another Kirk'in on Nov 15, I'll probably wear it again, that is if it isn't too rumpled from the St. Andrew's Dinner Dance the night before.

When I get a picture I'll post it.

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Take a look at ScotWeb.com they have a good collection of Lamont colors and if there is one that you want thet is not commonly available there will weave it for you. Prices vary.

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 The tartans are the same for all of clan Lamont - is there anything worn which distinguishes between septs?

 

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Anniebeth wrote:

 The tartans are the same for all of clan Lamont - is there anything worn which distinguishes between septs?

 

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 As far as I have see the Septs use the tartan of the head clan.

I went to Locharron web site and looked for Black and all they show was like Black Watch and a Black kilt

there are two main tartans for Lamont, the Modern and the Ancient.  I did catch them making a special run last summer of the Weathered heavy weight so I got some to make a kilt

https://www.lochcarron.co.uk/tartan-fabric/tartan-name/lamont/



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Blacks are a sept of Lamond. The blue plaid is what was handed down in the family. 

 



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Lamond is a sept of Lamont, on my Y-DNA at 67 markers I have a Lamont at a Genetic Distance of 1 and a Lamond and another Lamont at a distance of 2.

Has your cousin done any Y-DNA testing?

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I've inquired. His Black heritage comes through his mother's line not his dad's. Rats. 

 



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My cousin said it is really up to the individual regarding which plaid to wear, modern, ancient etc. The tartans are a fairly modern tradition. Handy for all those formal occassions - America is like the only country without some formal national dress unless you count jeans and t-shirts. Sheesh. 

 



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I have 59 people that have Black as part of their Ancestral Surname

I have one Ancient and the material for a Weathered that I need to send to Canada and get a kilt made from it.

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