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PatrickD · Member

RE: Patrick Family Sept

Sandy · Veteran Member

Hi Meg

Neil, Archibald, Robert, Duncan, Hugh and John McPhadrick were amongst those hanged at Dunoon in the 1646 massacre.

There were McPhadrick survivors though.

Do you know the place of birth of your Robert Patrick b 1705? The surname Patrick was used by the McPhadrick survivors for two or three generations after the massacre. Some reverted back to Lamont, some no doubt retained Patrick as a surname, some were Anglicized to Paterson.

Best

Sandy

Sandy · Veteran Member

Hi again Madehline

Chuckle.

I can see Inverkip from where I'm sitting in my study, but

I can't see anybody waving, even with binoculars!

Best

Sandy

Madehlinne · Newbie

Sandy!

{Waving from across the Firth and across the Pond! smile } I was intrigued by your reference to a FINDWELL HUNTER, who married John Patrick (Lamont) in Inverkip.

Inverkip is where my own HUNTER family is from and, since I know Inverkip was quite sma' in the 1700s, there is a good chance that we may even be related! biggrin

My earliest ancestor I have been able to trace is EDWARD {the Elder} HUNTER, b. c. 1696 in Innerkip [as Inverkip was called in those days]. Edward married ELIABETH KER/KERR in 1721 and they had six children. Their fourth child and third son, named EDWARD {the Younger} HUNTER, emigrated first to County Down, Ireland, and then on to Delaware in the colonies before 1755.

The elder Edward I am having some difficulty tracing [mostly because of the distance and lack of funds], but I wondered when I read your posting if Findwell could be related to my Edward the Elder Hunter. confuse

Please let me hear from you!

Madehlinne

MacPatrick · Senior Member

Meg,

Your husband and I also connect at Robert Patrick b. 1705.

You guys have cousins galore on this forum.

Denpat55 · Senior Member

Cousin Meg, I was able to link my Patrick family to Dr. Lee Wellington Patrick research.

John Patrick / Patric, born in 1429, some people on the web say that he was married to Margaret Montgomery (that is not true). I think that some people would like to say that they come from nobility and try to tie their family trees to the royal family.

Dr. Lee Wellington Patrick of Fairway, Kansas. Dr. Patrick’s records are the result of his study and research of the Scottish archives and are documented in his book Patrick in Retrospect published in 1993.

From Dr. Lee Wellington Patrick Book

“John Patrick (or Patric): b. 1429 in Ayrshire, Scotland, early records show he was a Notary, a person who could read and write. I have been told by a native of Scotland that a Notary was a papal office of the Catholic Church.”

Mkat · Newbie

By the way Dennis.... You are our (My husband's really) 6th cousin 2x removed

The relations is you-Dean Patrick-Albert Benton Patrick-Samuel Patrick-John Patrick (1803)-Robert Patrick (1765)- William Patrick (1734) - Robert Patrick /Our Common Direct Ancestor/ (1705) - Hugh Patrick (1732) - Robert Patrick (1764) - Hugh Patrick (1805) - Archibald Patrick (1828) - William Patrick (1851) - Noah Patrick (1883) - Osa Patrick (1921) - Linda Sue Patrick (1947) - Brad Turner /my husband/ (1978)

Mkat · Newbie

I have hit a dead end at John of Ayrshire Patrick, born abt 1429 died abt 1460. Does any one know where the tree goes up from him (parents) or who his wife was? Thanks so much!

Meg

Denpat55 · Senior Member

Welcome Megan from the left coast. Let us know if we can help.

Knockdow · Guru

Welcome Megan

I am not a Patrick but there are a ton of them on here. I am from Shelbyville Indiana, just south of you.

Mkat · Newbie

Hi Family! Just wanted to say how helpful your posts have been. I am an in-law, my husband and children descend from the Patricks, they seem to split off from your lines at the Hugh Patrick born in 1732. My husbands last direct Patrick relative was his grandfather. Anyway, thanks for the posts, you have helped me quite a bit with his Family Tree!

David · President - CLSNA

Sandy,

This is phenominally interesting to me. Wether it is coincidence or not I would definetely be interested in finding out if there is a connection there. The Scottish spelling was Paton and but I've never been able to make a firm connection to our Clan.

I'll share what I have in a couple days. Thanks for the offer!

Sandy · Veteran Member

David

Last Sunday, 17 April, my wife and I were lunching at the Coylet Inn on Loch Eck, about 5 miles North of Dunoon.

The family seated next to us became interested in our accent, and asked us where we are from. We got chatting and it turned out that they were Patons, from the old Ayreshire family. I remembered your surname from the CLSNA forum, so I asked for their e-mail address, which they gave me.

If you can let me have some family history details of your links to Ayreshire Patons I'd be happy to pass that on to them and if there is a link or a chance of a link, I can put you in touch with them.

They seemed a very pleasant family, and I gained the impression that they are both very helpful, and have a good knowledge of their family history.

Sandy

Knockdow · Guru

I don't have anybody in the Lamont study with the Patrick surname.

MacPatrick · Senior Member

Sandy,

Thanks for posting the additional information. Every little bit of information is welcome.

Knockdow: Are you posting the Patrick DNA results and lines on the Lamont-Young website or do we need to start a Patrick DNA thread here on Lamont Central?

Sandy · Veteran Member

Hail Coustoun!

I've been very slow and have only now read your posting in detail. Can you tell us what you know about Neil McPhadrick, father of the 1711 immigrant?

I think he (Neil) may well have been the 2nd last Baron McPhadrick of Coustoun, who succeeded the previous Baron in 1681. I've found a charter dated 30 May 1688 which reads

"...Cornelius and his heirs male, which failing, Robert and his heirs male, which failing, the heirs male of Neil Lamont..."

Cornelius was the last Baron, who sold up in 1700.

I suspect that I am descended from the same family, but the only way to determine this beyond doubt would be via DNA. I've already had mine tested and I have a 66/67 match with a Lamont from Palm Beach, Florida.

Unfortunately, the paper trail of the Palm Beach Lamont runs dry in Ireland in 1849.

So. Would you consider a DNA test? I'd be happy to fund it.

As I type this, I'm looking out my study window and can see Inverkip on the opposite side of the Firth of Clyde. A John Patrick (Lamont) and Findwell Hunter registered the births of four of their children in Inverkip between 1710 and 1718. Two of the sons moved back to Cowal as adults, one (Hugh) to Coustoun and one (Archibald) to Stronyaraig, directly opposite Loch Striven to Coustoun. I'm descended from the one who lived in Stronyaraig.

So it's possible that we may be 1st cousins, 7 times removed, or something close to that.

Best

Sandy

EMPatrick · Member

Rollie Edwin Patrick Son OF Robert Lee Patrick andMa Mary anna or martha ann Robert Edward Patrick sept 13 1908

Robert Lee Patrick son of Henry H. Paatrick and Foresnce P. Patrick

His father was a Patrick that was married to a Smith.

EMPatrick · Member

DavidN wrote:

Hi (other) David,

I actually live in Seattle now. I moved up here 9 years ago from Houston where I was born and raised. In fact, there's another Patrick member who is the daughter of my great aunt I found out also living in Seattle! Small world, huh?

(another) David

wow my Great Uncle Hubert Leroy Patrick Lived in Seattle

-- Edited by EMPatrick on Thursday 16th of December 2010 11:09:55 PM

Denpat55 · Senior Member

Hi David my great grandfather Samuel John Patrick lived in Washshington for some time before his death.
Birth: August 19, 1863
Putnam, Missouri, United States
Death: November 28, 1944 (81)
Vancover, Washington

Post some INFO of your famliy.

Luckey · Michigan State Commissioner - CLSNA

David wrote:

Hi David and welcome!

We can always use another Patrick in the ranks. If you read through the posts here you probably realize that you are a member of the most powerful sept family of the Modern Clan Lamont. (This will cause a tsunami of jealous posts, David)

MacPatrick · Senior Member

David,

Welcome to the forum, It's great to have another cousin participating in the fun.

David · President - CLSNA

Oh cool. We have a strong community in the Seattle area. You need to get in touch with George who can fill you in on the happenings in your city. Funny because George just spent the week in Houston. He was supposed to fly back yesterday.

George! Where are you? Chime in here! smile

DavidN · Newbie

Hi (other) David,

I actually live in Seattle now. I moved up here 9 years ago from Houston where I was born and raised. In fact, there's another Patrick member who is the daughter of my great aunt I found out also living in Seattle! Small world, huh?

(another) David

David · President - CLSNA

Hi David and welcome!

We can always use another Patrick in the ranks. If you read through the posts here you probably realize that you are a member of the most powerful sept family of the Modern Clan Lamont. biggrin

(This will cause a tsunami of jealous posts, David)

Seriously, we are glad to have helped and thats part of the reason we have encouraged people to posts their tree's.

Everyone is friendly so ask any questions you might have and we are glad to help!

So you are in Texas? So am I in the Dallas area. You?

DavidN · Newbie

Hello all,

I have to say I'm amazed by the amount of information shared on here that's allowed me to trace a group of my ancestors waaaaaay back, and I didn't even know I was related to a Scottish clan!

My line comes through Robert "Robin" Patrick, b. 1764, and his son George Washington, Sr. and his son George W, Jr.. He founded "Patrick Place", a 100 acre ranch in the middle of Texas that has been in my family since 1886! His 2nd to youngest daughter is my great grandmother on my dad's mom's side. And now my aunt owns the ranch.

So I guess that makes me a Patrick 3 times removed? In any case, I think it's great being somehow related to such a lively bunch biggrin

Thanks all!
David

MacPatrick · Senior Member

Tommy,

Welcome we are very happy you decided to join us, any and all information is appreciated. Please feel free to post and share any inoformation you can.

Quite possibly all of the Patrick's from Ayr are related, I'm sure there are thousands of descendants of this Patrick line scattered around the world.

-- Edited by MacPatrick on Tuesday 26th of October 2010 07:54:56 AM

cynthia · Member

Mike and Dennis,l.... Does this mean that there were other sons that did not make the trip to America? In regards to Kris's post I mean?

-- Edited by cynthia on Monday 25th of October 2010 08:58:45 PM

cynthia · Member

Hi, Tommy, welcome. And the first thing that came to my mind was pictures, it is great you have found this website, I am quite certain that the others will be in touch with you. I am just getting started on my research. It helped me a lot to read the other posts in here to get an idea of where do go with my research. And of course I am really hoping some day to meet all of you. That would be a highlight of my life! Please keep posting tell us more about yourself and where you live.

-- Edited by cynthia on Monday 25th of October 2010 08:54:06 PM

krisrankinpatrick · Newbie

Thanks for checking Dennis! I have a feeling they are a bit elusive...

Have managed since to narrow it down to #'s 1-4 for John Patrick's parents (in the search record I posted earlier) based on his wife Margarets birth date.

It is an ongoing quest to find the history of my Patricks...will see what comes of it, and let you all know!

Sincerely, Kristen

Denpat55 · Senior Member

Kirsten & Thomas, It’s great to see more Patrick’s on the forum. Keep up your research & post what you fine here. Kirsten I check out your info & check my tree to see if I had any links but found none.

tommy16 · Newbie

hi my names tommy im from scotland my 3 times great grandad waswilliam patrick born1797 in hamilton scotalnd to alexander patrick and marion marshal / also i have other patricks in hamilton if i can be off any help please dont hesitate to e mail me .thomas

krisrankinpatrick · Newbie

On further looking at John's marriage record the last thing written is: "married at Dalry" not "Willaborne of Daby" (?)" which I had written in my original post! Getting a little better at reading old handwriting if nothing else!

krisrankinpatrick · Newbie

Hi George & Jim, Thanks for the welcome.
I have attached two files (hopefully you will be able to view them!) The first is a magnified view of John Patricks marriage certificate from Nov, 1777. He married Margaret Russell in Ardrossan, Northern Ayrshire.

The second image is a screen capture of the birth options and parents for John Patrick in Ayr anywhere between 1741 and 1761. My guess is he married anywhere between the ages of 40 to 16 so it would place his birth between these two time periods. Most of my research has been done on Scotlands People with the help of Ancestry.co.uk.

I am hoping my search for the Patricks doesn't end there and hoping to find out who John's parents were. As he is the earliest of my Patricks that I can find.

A brief history may be helpful:
The family moved onto Lanarkshire Scotland for some reason by 1781 where they had there next child Thomas Patrick.

Thomas married Anne Birrel and had a son James born 1813 in Logie Fife.

James married Christina Kinnes and had a son William born 1847 in Auchtermuchty Fife.

William married Isabella Donald and had a son James born 1880 in Bothwell Lanarkshire.

This is my great grandfather James Patrick who moved to Ontario Canada in 1929 from "South Inch" farm in Bathgate Scotland.

My Patricks had a history of moving quite a bit! But Im hoping they did originate from Northern Ayrshire and are connected to all the great history you and your members have researched.

Thanks foryour help!
Kristen

MacPatrick · Senior Member

Kirsten,

Welcome to the forum, it's great to have another Patrick among us.

It will be interesting to see how these Patrick lines fit together. Please feel free to upload any information you can share with us.

We are truly becoming "Patrick Central".

Knockdow · Guru

welcome to the the forum Kristen

it still amazes me the number of Patricks that find us. I am thinking of getting adopted so I can join the swelling Patrick ranks.

krisrankinpatrick · Newbie

Hi David,
I am a new Patrick member to the site (let the innauguration begin :)
My mother is a Patrick and I have traced our family from Ardrossan, Scotland in 1777 to Canada in the 1920's. So through research we are not directly 'related' to the Virginia or Kentucky Patricks but the earliest Patrick related to me is John Patrick of Irvine, North Ayshire (I am assuming his birth is sometime between 1737 & 1751 - being between 40 yrs to 16 yrs when he married) to Margaret Russell of "Mollabyrne" (?) on Nov 1st 1777 with the last thing being written on the marriage certificate - "Willaborne of Daby" (?)

The marriage record is very, very, very hard to read so the names within "quotations" above are only my assumptions. My hope was to upload the actual record (hopefully can do that soon..) in case you had any insight into this John Patrick and Margaret. They went onto Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire, where I can find the next record for them in 1781 having a child, Thomas Patrick (my gggg grandfather).

My hope is to find out more about the Patricks (specifically about John Patrick and his parents, if possible) before 1777 in Northern Ayrshire. And with looking at the group you have started hopefully someone can help?!

Thanks very much!! Kristen

cynthia · Member

Hello Jim, i really did not have to do much research to trace my descendant to Hugh Patrick and Mary Campbell. It was fun, tedious and interesting and I have made acquaintance with a couple of relatives, one a bit closer than the other. I will post my family tree on geni.com shortly. Thanks

MacPatrick · Senior Member

Cymthia,

Welcome to the forum, we hope you enjoy the time you spend here.

Please start a new thread in Patrick Family Sept section and provide us with your Patrick family lineage, this will make it easier for others to find the information

cynthia · Member

My ancestors surname Patrick arrived with relatives who are named Robinson from Aryrshire, Scotland in America in 1725 stayed in Maryland and PA. and the Patrick and probably the Robinsons also settled in Tazewell, Virginia and eventually(My great, great grandfather patrick, his wife and 13 children headed west with the Robinson relatives, one recent Robinson descendant told me his family resided and stayed in MO. then on to texas. However, the early census record show my great, great grandfather and family along with the Robinsons were residents of Fort Leavenworth, KS. for awhile. I know that my great grandfather patrick married a Ashe from MO. lived there for awhile had a couple of children but returned to Lamar, Co. when his father had a homestead. Does any of this ring a bell to anyone reading this? I do have names dates of deaths births and who married who for some time back wish I could find all this now. I do know you can look online at the old cementary listings for Tazewell, VA.

Denpat55 · Senior Member

Stephanie, I like the research that you are doing on John Patrick (or Patric): b. 1429 in Ayrshire, Scotland. Here is another site that mite help you, right now they have info back to 1513 but they mite add more years in the future, they have all sort of official data there on the Scottish people, and it’s not free. Here is what they charge.
The surname search on the Homepage is free and covers all records, allowing you to check how many records of a particular surname appear in the various datasets, before you commit to payment.

Access to the wills and testaments index and the coats of arms index is free of charge. Viewing full-colour, digital images of an original will, testament or inventory costs 5GBP per document, regardless of length. Viewing a full-colour, digital images of a coat of arms costs 10GBP per document, regardless of length.

Access to statutory, OPR, Catholic parish register and census indexes costs 6GBP. For this fee, you will receive 30 "page credits" which are valid for 90 consecutive days. Viewing a page of index results costs 1 credit and each page will contain up to 25 search results. Viewing an image costs 5 credits (equivalent to 1GBP). Your session begins when payment has been authorised and additional credits may be purchased in 6GBP increments. The session will restart with each new credit purchase.

The official government source of genealogical data for Scotland

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

sd41581 · Member

It was familysearch.org that I had found the information. I have looked further and found the same information as Dennis on John Stewart. It is a little disheartening, but I won't give up the search. Thank you all for your help in clearing up the confusion.

MacPatrick · Senior Member

There is a huge amount of information out there on the internet, some of it is correct, some of it isn't. A lot of this (mis)information gets copied over and over again. It is very important to look at the sources of the information.

The genealogical information on the titled families is very carefully maintained because in some cases there are a lot of things at stake, including land. Most all of the titled lines are listed in "Burke's Peerage" which is usually correct.

I have also seen this information and like Dennis, I don't think it is correct.

-- Edited by MacPatrick on Friday 23rd of July 2010 07:40:06 AM

Denpat55 · Senior Member

Here are some of the sites. Familysearch.org, awt.ancestrylibray.com, familytreemaker.genealogy.com And I would go to Google.com put there name birthday and search from there. Here is a sample of what I found.
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/l/u/m/Robert-W-Lumpkin/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0445.html
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~elessar5/pafg1371.htm#197747

sd41581 · Member

Could you tell me where you found ur information so that I can see? I would like to verify for myself to ease my mind :) then 8 can continue my search else where.

Denpat55 · Senior Member

Stephanie,

I found it very interesting so I did a web search on Margaret Montgomery b. 1436. I found one family tree that had her married to John Patrick b. 1428 and other tree with her married to John Patrick b. 1428. Son of Sir Alan Stewart and Cathrine Seton.

I search the web for Stewart’s and Montgomery’s they both had Margaret Montgomery b. 1436 married to John Stewart b. 1428 and his line stayed Steward all the way to the present day. There lines are well documented with Mary Queen of the scot and other royal family members in it.

Are John Patrick / Patric was born in 1429 not 1428 I don’t think that are John Patrick was married to Margaret Montgomery. I think that some people would like to say that they come from nobility and try to tie there family trees to the royal family.

MacPatrick · Senior Member

Stephanie,

Please keep us posted on your research efforts, you have evidently been bitten by the genealogy bug. I was bitten years ago.

Genealogy is very addictive, but it's fun isn't it?

sd41581 · Member

Hello Cousins,

I am so glad that I found all of you. Family history is a new obsession for me, but something that my parents have been doing for a while. It has become really fun since I do love a good mystery.
I have been researching every angle I can think of with my limited resources to find out what I can about our earliest ancestor John Patrick of Ayrshire Scotland of 1429. What I came up with is that he may have been married to a Margaret Montgomery. She was born 1436 in Ayrshire and died 30 may 1493 in Renfrewshire, Sco. I have taken the Montgomery's back to a Sir John de Montgomery b.1244 Eaglesham, Iverness, Sco. and his wife Janet Erskine b. 1280 in Erskine, Renfrewshire, Sco. Also Margaret Montgomery's Grandmother was a Margaret Maxwell of Clan Maxwell. Her father was Herbert Maxwell b.1366 at Caerlaverock Castle, Dumfries-shire, Sco. and his father was Robert Maxwell b.1340 also at Caerlaverock Castle. They both also died in that castle.

I hope you all find this information as fascinating as I do. :) I am still trying to verify this information. It is very difficult to do when you are dealing with the 15th century.

MacPatrick · Senior Member

Hello Cousin Stephanie,

Welcome to the Forum, we are happy to have you here. I am a descendant of Jeremiah Patrick.

sd41581 · Member

Mine is William 1734, Hezikiah 1760, Isaac Leander 1798, Harvey George 1819, James Harvey 1858, Leonard Hardin 1889, Stephen Clayton 1948, and then me Stephanie biggrin

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Denpat55 · Senior Member

My line comes from the same line as you; here is my line of Patricks from William.
William 1734, Robert 1765, John 1803, Samuel 1863, Albert 1895, Dean 1924 and me Dennis.

-- Edited by Denpat55 on Monday 19th of July 2010 01:20:31 PM