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I continue to be puzzled by the sudden appearance of John Patric in 1429. It could be that he is a Gray. But, seriously, he is described as a "notary" which, as I understand it, would make him a learned man able to both read and write. If he was actually an official of the Catholic church, I find it strange that there is nothing written about, or by him. You would think that at some point in his life, he would have had occasion to put information about his parents in writing.

And, then there is that old bugaboo which keeps coming up in this time period about the Stewarts, John, as it were.

John Stewart 1428 - John Patric 1429
Stewart married Margaret Montgomery
Patric married Margaret Montgomery (ie), some say not
Stewart and Montgomery were married in indenture, some say???
The Margaret Montgomery who married Stewart had a sister (by a different mother) named Margaret Montgomerie. Huh?
Stewart Jr (John) may have had a wife named Margaret Stewart.

I sometimes wish I had never started looking. If these people had only known how much trouble they were gonna cause in the future, surely they would have kept better records. I've traced my Patrick side back to John in Scotland in 1429 and my Walk side back to Germany in 1705.

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My line is nothing that I thought it was. Here is the shorten version, and hopefully someone will recognize part of it.

Dennis Michael Patrick B-5-19-1950, son of
Fred Darrell Patrick B-4-11-1911, son of
John Patrick son of
Larkin Thomas Patrick B-10-23-1841, son of
Larkin Cason Patrick B-10-6-1815, son of
John Luke Patrick B-1787, son of
John Patrick B-12-6-1758. son of
John Patrick B-10-16-1726, son of
John Patrick B-7-26-1703, son of
John Patrick B-10-3-1675, son of
John Walter Patrick b-1652 ENGLAND.
John Walter Patrick came to Virginia sometime in the 1600’s, but I have no idea where they came from in England or when. I do know they landed in Virginia and settled in Charles Parish, York County, Virginia. If anyone knows anything about this line of Patrick's, please share your knowledge.


 I actually live in York County VA



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Here is my line.

Dean Patrick - 1887 -1918
John Franklin Patrick - 1844 - 1897
Henry "Little Hen" Patrick - 1807 - 1855
Robert "Robin" Patrick - 1764 - 1859
Hugh Patrick - 1732 - 1814
Robert Patrick - 1705 - 1758
Hugh H. Patrick - 1678 - 1704
Robert Patrick - 1635 - 1707
John Kilpatrick - 1605 - 1671
Thomas Kilpatrick - 1580 - ????
James Patrick - 1552 - ????
John Patrick - 1530 - 1638
William Patrick - 1495 - 1549
John Patrick - 1460 - 1549
John Ayshire Patrick - 1429 - 1463

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Any Patrick's from Argyll Colony here? Would like to see if anyone has any connections in Cross Creek NC in mid-1700's. Anyone have any list of names from the colony?

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Just curious if any of the Ayrshire Patricks have been able to go back earlier than Sir John Patric(k) of Ayrshire. Has anybody found an actual connection between him and the Lamonts? I found somebody on Ancestry.com that made the leap that John Patrick was actually John Stewart, but the dates weren't exact, and I don't know how they made the leap since John Stewart didn't live in Ayrshire.

Has anybody found anything significant about Sheriff Walter Campbell or his father Archibald Campbell?  I'm starting to think he might have been a bastard son of the Earl/Duke of Argyll.  The only evidence I can offer to support this idea is that he was made a Sheriff in Edinburgh, the seat of power for the Argyll Campbells.  Further research is required I guess.



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Hello,

Trying to locate the parents of Ezekiel Patrick born (or baptized) January 7 1759.  This is confusion with the Ezekiel born in 1760 in Lancaster PA.  They have different places of death.

The RWP transcribed has Ezekial enlisting in Elizabeth town NC, in the Bladen County Regiment.  He was in the Battle of Brown Marsh and Wilmington.  I have more information on this is this would help.

He states that he was wanting to serve with his 3 brother, William, Daniel, and Samuel Patrick.  I know from teh County Tax Poll that Daniel and Samuel are listed in Bladen County in 1763.  I beleive they may be his brothers.  William was wounded at Hanging Rock, Broad River which I beleive was Wayne's Brigade.  Unfortunately Ezekiel did not get to serve with his brother during the second term as he had hoped.

The deposition for R7996, fn28NC was given October 23, 1833 in Perry County KY. 

After the War he Lived near Charelston SC, then Carter County TN, Russell County VA, and in 1827 moved to Perry at least through 1833.

We have record of him living in Clay County KY with his daughter Elizabeth (widowed) and near his son Daniel, also living in Clay County.

Whether he is Scot or Scot-Irish we don't know yet.  Still searching.  If anyone has any information, I would greatly appreciate it. 

Thanks!!!

James

 

 

 



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Wow, glad I found this post. I'm new here, but Dennis (Denpat55) is my uncle. On another note, I am currently living in Lacey, Washington (for you other Patricks living in Washington).



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Ok update. Maybe someone can help me find a little more information. My great-great-grandfather John Patrick Jr. (I think his middle name started with a P) immigrated over here from England sometime before 1900. His father John Patrick Sr. and mother Martha were born in Yorkshire in the 1820s (that's all I know about them). He was born in the 1860s and later married a woman named Sarah Jane in New York. They had four sons: Elmer C. Patrick, Robert H. Patrick, John Howard Patrick (my great-grandfather), and Stewart R. Patrick. All were born in New York.
Does anyone know of any websites or resources I can use to find more information on John Sr. and Martha? I can't find anything and I'm using Ancestry.
Thank you to anyone who can help!
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So many Patricks! Maybe I can make some progress with my ancestry research?



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You would have to view "Scotland's People," run by the canny Scots for a fee.

 

A bit of a slim chance of a genealogical connection here as most of the sons of Baron McPhadrick or Patrick of that ilk were hanged in Dunoon in the 17th century.  The rest of the direct kith and kin quickly fled from the killing frenzy of a neighboring clan.  A few can still claim direct decedents like my great grandfather, Henry Lamont of Gripton, but for the most part they, as a family tree, are a vanquished sept, disappearing like the morning mist over Lock Striven.



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Who was John Patric 1429 married to or his father and mother?

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While there is scant evidence to support the claim, the MacPartick or Patrick were directly connected with the McPhadricks who trace their ancestry back to Hugh O' Neal, that last of the great Irish chiefs.  Mackechnie's (sic) seminal work is about the best historical family compilation available to us.  

While it is maintained (see "The History of the Clan Lamont, 1934"), that this branch of the Lamont are direct decedents of the McPhadrick Lamonts of Coustoun, Argyllshire, specific genealogical reference is absent. Lamont of Coustoun, the McPhadrick Lamonts of Coustoun were located on the western shore of Loch Striven, just about directly across the loch from the lands of Knockdow. In the old days, their geographic position isolated them, except for travel by sea. Even today, there are no major roads to the Coustoun lands. The first record of the Lamonts of Coustoun, was a charter witnessed by Patrick Ladman of Calstane, in 1498. Shortly after this, the name McPhadrick is found in land titles. Papers from 1541 show the McPhadricks to be part of Clan Lamont, and subject to the chief. In 1646, seven McPhadrics were murdered at Dunoon by the Campbells, including four sons of Baron McPhadrick, gentlemen of Coustoun. The last Baron McPhadrick, Cornelius, sold the estates to John of Kilfinan, a natural son of the chief, Archibald Lamont. And so ended the history of the least known of the Cadets families. The McPHADRICK LAMONTS held a strip of country between Ardbeg and Invernellbeg at Strone with CAMPBELLS and MacLACHLANS breathing down their necks. Four sons of BARON McPHADRICK OF COUSTON, with another of their family, met their deaths on the hanging tree at Dunoon. The last of the family moved to Newcastle in the 17th century. According to Hector McKechnie in his tomb, "The Lamont Clan 1235 - 1935", the McPhadricks were: "But the style of Baron" which attached to its owner, as to Monydrain and Knockdow certainly suggests a former independent holding of the Crown. This was probably inaugurated by some Patrick Lamont as the patronymic which was adopted was "McPhadrick" (though it 'was little to the fore till the 17th century). Doubtless the families of this surname, who are later found on the east side of the loch about Ardyne and Inverchaolain, are of the sept from those common men who perished on  the hanging tree at Dunoon. Some direct descendants of the gentlemen of MacPhadrick did survive the gruesome wrath of the Campbell's. MaKenchnie identified several, one being my great grandfather, the Clyde shipbuilder, Henry Lamont of Gripton and Greenlaw.  However, as is his style, MacKechnie fails to draw a direct line.  Instead he refers to a clerical letter sent to my 2nd, great grandfather , one W'm Lamont of Kilmarnock, Ayrshire asserting the connection was correct. MacKechnie leaves it there.



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Hello! I'm Denise Patrick and I am having a big problem in finding information on my biological father's side of the family. I know my grandfather was John David Patrick and he married a Darcy Buys. His mother was named Mazie Hattie Mix and she married someone named John Patrick. He was born in New York in 1904 and that is the only thing I have been able to find on my great-grandfather. I have been lucky on my mom's (Who was a Fergus-my great-grandfather came from Paisley, Scotland) but my biological father's side is being tough. I hope there is a connection to the Lamont family.



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First of all Welcome to the site.

Now you may need to click on Todd's name on the post on page one and send him a note that way too to make sure he gets notified of your post.

Not everyone clicks the box below that says "Email me whenever there is a new post to this topic".

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Hello, I noticed up on page 1 someone mentioned Patricks of Overton Co., TN. I am a descendant of Hardin Gray Patrick (aka Hamilton G. Patrick) from Overton Co. born ca. 1824, married Elizabeth Taylor.

Does anyone know who his parents were, or if he was related to the other Patricks nearby? I suspect his father may be John Patrick listed in the 1840 census in Overton Co., but have no proof, and don't know which John he is. John seems to have been a popular name in the family described above.

Thanks in advance for any help!
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Hello Mike,

Good to see you're back.

Your Coustoun connection is very interesting. Am I correct in thinking that your immigrant ancestor was the son of a Neil McPatrick? Can you post the details you have about your immigrant ancestor? Full names, approximate age, that kind of thing.

I think there must be a good chance that he was the son of the 7th Baron of Coustoun.

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Hello,Im looking for help.My greatgrandmother was born Elizabeth Patrick in Kilsyth,Stirling,Scotland around1880.Her parents wera James Patrick and Jean Weir ,they were married in Kilsyth,Stirling,Scotlandin 1875.rI havent found anything further back nor was I able to find if their were any other siblings.Elizabeth married William Newhouse in Elkton Ohio .Had 1 sonwho was my grandfather.As a child my mother told me hooooow she lived with her grandmother off and on also that she went by Lizzie and the she did see and hold me .Elizabeth (Lizzie)died shortly after my birth in 1958 . Im trying to find out more about her family



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Hello,
My Father and I are stuck. I am hoping someone may have some information. Here is where we are today.

Daniel Boone Patrick Born abt 1810 in VA or TN. Married in Clay County, KY Sept 9, 1832 to Elizabeth Smith (B. 1814 in IN or PA). Children are: Grandville, Pleasant Clay, Willis, John, Orrah, William, Felix, Blevins

Daniel shows up in land grants/transfers in Clay County. I have seen his name spelled "Danl" in one publication. This is as far back as I can trace.

Any help would be appreaciated.

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My line is nothing that I thought it was. Here is the shorten version, and hopefully someone will recognize part of it.

Dennis Michael Patrick B-5-19-1950, son of
Fred Darrell Patrick B-4-11-1911, son of
John Patrick son of
Larkin Thomas Patrick B-10-23-1841, son of
Larkin Cason Patrick B-10-6-1815, son of
John Luke Patrick B-1787, son of
John Patrick B-12-6-1758. son of
John Patrick B-10-16-1726, son of
John Patrick B-7-26-1703, son of
John Patrick B-10-3-1675, son of
John Walter Patrick b-1652 ENGLAND.
John Walter Patrick came to Virginia sometime in the 1600’s, but I have no idea where they came from in England or when. I do know they landed in Virginia and settled in Charles Parish, York County, Virginia. If anyone knows anything about this line of Patrick's, please share your knowledge.


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Welcome cousin Kevin it’s great to have more Patricks on the forum.

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Just wanted to drop in and say hello to the fellow Patricks!

I've only just registered, but been reading the threads for a while.  A lot of the infomation you posted really helped.  Where many of your line come from Jeremiah Patrick in VA, my descends from his brother Jack.

Thanks for all the work you've put in, and I'm please to have found y'all.



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MacPatrick wrote:

 It will send it you via personal e-mail as I have it on my computer at home.

Be aware a Coat of Arms is issued to an individual and are not a family coat of arms, but it is an interesting insight into our heritage and does confirm that we do indeed have a Lamont heritage.


 I wonder if this is registered with the Lyon Court? I don't know how to find out but if you didand you could track you linage to it..how cool! ou can actually apply for your own arms to be matriculated based on that. it takes a pile of cash and proof of connection.



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There is a copy of “Patrick In Retrospect” author Dr. Lee Willington Patrick printed 1993.
Book is at Family History Center Utah 929.273 p275pl / Micro film reel:35 Location FHL us/can film. Film 795996 item 1




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Thank you for the Welcome. No I do not have Dr. Lee Wellington Patrick's Book Patrick in Retrospect Published in 1993. I also would like a digital copy of it. My link in the Patrick family moved to Missouri from Kentucky in 1816 and settled in Howard County. In the early 1900's they migrated to Texas. The line consists of
Dennis Patrick b-1950 -Darrell Patrick b-1947 -Philip Patrick b-1953 (me and my brothers) sons of

Fred Patrick son of b-1911

John Patrick son of b-?

Thomas Larkin Patrick b-1841 son of

Larkin Cason Patrick b-1815 son of

Luke Patrick b-1758 son of

John Patrick b-1725

I will be on the lookout for the book Patrick in Retrospect and also the 52 page paper read at to Patrick reunion in 1940. I would very much like to fill in some blanks.



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Welcome Dennis it good to have another Dennis Patrick here on the forum. Do you have Dr. Lee Wellington Patrick book Patrick in Retrospect published in 1993. I would like a digital copy of that book.

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Does anyone have a copy of the 52 page paper that Dr Wellington Patrick presented at the September 22, 1940 Patrick reunion in Salyersville? I would dearly love to have a copy, or to have it emailed to me.

Thanks so very much!

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My name is also Dennis Patrick from Robert Patrick who came to Philadelphia in 1725. My part of the family settled in Texas, and I live just outside of Austin. I have on question which is, What is written under the black and white version of the Patrick Coat of Arms shown on this Chat room?


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Hi Meg

Neil, Archibald, Robert, Duncan, Hugh and John McPhadrick were amongst those hanged at Dunoon in the 1646 massacre.

There were McPhadrick survivors though.

Do you know the place of birth of your Robert Patrick b 1705? The surname Patrick was used by the McPhadrick survivors for two or three generations after the massacre. Some reverted back to Lamont, some no doubt retained Patrick as a surname, some were Anglicized to Paterson.

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Hi again Madehline

Chuckle.

I can see Inverkip from where I'm sitting in my study, but

I can't see anybody waving, even with binoculars!

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Sandy!

{Waving from across the Firth and across the Pond! smile} I was intrigued by your reference to a FINDWELL HUNTER, who married John Patrick (Lamont) in Inverkip.

Inverkip is where my own HUNTER family is from and, since I know Inverkip was quite sma' in the 1700s, there is a good chance that we may even be related! biggrin

My earliest ancestor I have been able to trace is EDWARD {the Elder} HUNTER, b. c. 1696 in Innerkip [as Inverkip was called in those days]. Edward married ELIABETH KER/KERR in 1721 and they had six children.  Their fourth child and third son, named EDWARD {the Younger} HUNTER, emigrated first to County Down, Ireland, and then on to Delaware in the colonies before 1755.

The elder Edward I am having some difficulty tracing [mostly because of the distance and lack of funds], but I wondered when I read your posting if Findwell could be related to my Edward the Elder Hunter. confuse

Please let me hear from you!

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Meg,

Your husband and I also connect at Robert Patrick b. 1705.

You guys have cousins galore on this forum.

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Cousin Meg, I was able to link my Patrick family to Dr. Lee Wellington Patrick research.

John Patrick / Patric, born in 1429, some people on the web say that he was married to Margaret Montgomery no(that is not true)no. I think that some people would like to say that they come from nobility and try to tie their family trees to the royal family.

Dr. Lee Wellington Patrick of Fairway, Kansas.  Dr. Patrick’s records are the result of his study and research of the Scottish archives and are documented in his book Patrick in Retrospect published in 1993. 

From Dr. Lee Wellington Patrick Book

“John Patrick (or Patric):   b. 1429 in Ayrshire, Scotland, early records show he was a Notary, a person who could read and write.  I have been told by a native of Scotland that a Notary was a papal office of the Catholic Church.”



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By the way Dennis.... You are our (My husband's really) 6th cousin 2x removed

The relations is you-Dean Patrick-Albert Benton Patrick-Samuel Patrick-John Patrick (1803)-Robert Patrick (1765)- William Patrick (1734) - Robert Patrick /Our Common Direct Ancestor/ (1705) - Hugh Patrick (1732) - Robert Patrick (1764) - Hugh Patrick (1805) - Archibald Patrick (1828) - William Patrick (1851) - Noah Patrick (1883) - Osa Patrick (1921) - Linda Sue Patrick (1947) - Brad Turner /my husband/ (1978)

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I have hit a dead end at John of Ayrshire Patrick, born abt 1429 died abt 1460. Does any one know where the tree goes up from him (parents) or who his wife was? Thanks so much!

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Welcome Megan from the left coast. Let us know if we can help.

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Welcome Megan

I am not a Patrick but there are a ton of them on here. I am from Shelbyville Indiana, just south of you.



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Hi Family! Just wanted to say how helpful your posts have been. I am an in-law, my husband and children descend from the Patricks, they seem to split off from your lines at the Hugh Patrick born in 1732. My husbands last direct Patrick relative was his grandfather. Anyway, thanks for the posts, you have helped me quite a bit with his Family Tree!

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Sandy,

This is phenominally interesting to me. Wether it is coincidence or not I would definetely be interested in finding out if there is a connection there. The Scottish spelling was Paton and but I've never been able to make a firm connection to our Clan.

I'll share what I have in a couple days. Thanks for the offer!



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Last Sunday, 17 April, my wife and I were lunching at the Coylet Inn on Loch Eck, about 5 miles North of Dunoon.

The family seated next to us became interested in our accent, and asked us where we are from. We got chatting and it turned out that they were Patons, from the old Ayreshire family. I remembered your surname from the CLSNA forum, so I asked for their e-mail address, which they gave me.

If you can let me have some family history details of your links to Ayreshire Patons I'd be happy to pass that on to them and if there is a link or a chance of a link, I can put you in touch with them.

They seemed a very pleasant family, and I gained the impression that they are both very helpful, and have a good knowledge of their family history.

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I don't have anybody in the Lamont study with the Patrick surname.



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Sandy,

Thanks for posting the additional information. Every little bit of information is welcome.

 

Knockdow:  Are you posting the Patrick DNA results and lines on the Lamont-Young website or do we need to start a Patrick DNA thread here on Lamont Central?

 



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Hail Coustoun!

I've been very slow and have only now read your posting in detail. Can you tell us what you know about Neil McPhadrick, father of the 1711 immigrant? 

I think he (Neil) may well have been the 2nd last Baron McPhadrick of Coustoun, who succeeded the previous Baron in 1681. I've found a charter dated 30 May 1688 which reads

"...Cornelius and his heirs male, which failing, Robert and his heirs male, which failing, the heirs male of Neil Lamont..."

Cornelius was the last Baron, who sold up in 1700.

I suspect that I am descended from the same family, but the only way to determine this beyond doubt would be via DNA. I've already had mine tested and I have a  66/67 match with a Lamont from Palm Beach, Florida.

Unfortunately, the paper trail of the Palm Beach Lamont runs dry in Ireland in 1849.

So. Would you consider a DNA test? I'd be happy to fund it. 

As I type this, I'm looking out my study window and can see Inverkip on the opposite side of the Firth of Clyde. A John Patrick (Lamont) and Findwell Hunter registered the births of four of their children in Inverkip between 1710 and 1718. Two of the sons moved back to Cowal as adults, one (Hugh) to Coustoun and one (Archibald) to Stronyaraig, directly opposite Loch Striven to Coustoun. I'm descended from the one who lived in Stronyaraig.

So it's possible that we may be 1st cousins, 7 times removed, or something close to that.

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Rollie Edwin Patrick Son OF Robert Lee Patrick andMa Mary anna or martha ann  Robert Edward Patrick sept 13 1908

Robert Lee Patrick son of Henry H. Paatrick and Foresnce P.  Patrick

His father was a Patrick that was married to a Smith.



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Hi (other) David,

I actually live in Seattle now.  I moved up here 9 years ago from Houston where I was born and raised.  In fact, there's another Patrick member who is the daughter of my great aunt I found out also living in Seattle!  Small world, huh?


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wow my Great Uncle Hubert Leroy Patrick Lived in Seattle

 



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Hi David my great grandfather Samuel John Patrick lived in Washshington for some time before his death.
Birth: August 19, 1863
Putnam, Missouri, United States
Death: November 28, 1944 (81)
Vancover, Washington

Post some INFO of your famliy.

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Dennis Patrick


Michigan State Commissioner - CLSNA

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David wrote:

Hi David and welcome!

We can always use another Patrick in the ranks. If you read through the posts here you probably realize that you are a member of the most powerful sept family of the Modern Clan Lamont. biggrin (This will cause a tsunami of jealous posts, David)


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Regards, Jim Rapin
Regional Vice-President, NE


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David,

Welcome to the forum, It's great to have another cousin participating in the fun.

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Jim Lovelace
CLSNA Director - SE Region
Georgia, Alabama & Tennessee Area Commissioner - CLSNA
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